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@ Nancy: "Addressing this topic or the subject of the upcoming vote from the pulpit is not against the law in this country, although it may be in the future," Lindell said in the sermon. http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2015/june/distraction-down-under-hillsong-mark-driscoll-conference.html. The opposition is to Jesus. So many use Ches image as some sort of inspirational symbol. Penalty Flag? Your facts are a bit off, beginning with the meaning of Che. I am no fan of his, but there are some big holes in your acvount of his life. Come on Lindell, Morris, Kellogg and Johnston. Why would anyone seek to admire and celebrate a man who plotted to kill millions of innocent American civilians? One needed them because they were somehow spiritually qualified (?) This is what the giving unit is looking for, not God. They may have been totally shocked when Mark began to spew his rude, humiliating, oppressive descriptions and warped perceptions of scripture and men and women. FTR Hillsong is also Assemblies of God. . Six months for Driscoll does not represent later in life, give him another ten or twenty years. Excellent comment! I think people on all sides of these conflicts did some pretty horrendous things, as well as some decent things. Then you can better understand the depths of this deception. I saw many warnings but there seemed to be some explanation for most of it. 34 They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.. His statement is factually incorrect. He has lots of pics holding impoverished babies while his own 5 kids barely saw him. It shouldnt be about raw numbers of attenders and financial statements if it is a true church. But here is the underlying issue: we in evangelical Christianity have become so good at eisogeting the scriptures (reading ourselves into the story) it has gotten to the point of narcissism, or as one preacher puts it, narcigesis., Dont believe me? This can be anything from praying for people over the phone to working in the Online Campus studio. some have suffered unjustly. since we are all clergy??? But maybe power is just something that is too tempting for him to handle and in order for him to live out his life following Christ, it may be something he must never let pass his lipsmuch like alcoholics cannot drink again. . Certainly, Fulgencio Batista (dictator of Cuba at the time of the communist takeover) was a very corrupt man, whose government did terrible things, as with Trujillo in the Dominican Republic, Papa Doc Duvalier in Haiti, and many others. Whats worse, total lack of good character. In case this was not a rhetorical question, Lindell doesnt have a real active blog, his third from last entry is titled: 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name., I dont think God has sent any dreams or visions to anyone vouching for Mark Driscoll? Im honored that Marks here so I dont want anybody reading what Im saying as some kind of disclaimer or apology. It was especially appropriate to hear last night since our current sermon series is on the topic of Worship. Is there a third way that I have overlooked? (Note I did not diagnose) I do believe seen in that light, it makes it simpler to see how he gets by with it and why some who also make their living in similar ways are promoting him. I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit. I called Stephens and informed him Lindell had mentioned him in a sermon. . Che badgered/shamed the workers that receiving a pat on the back from their boss/comrade for increasing the quota should be enough for them to continue to increase production without any chance of being compensated for it monetarily. There was a box for Guest Services. . If the congregation, the pew sitter as you say, cannot do it what does that leave? Bob, I loved your comment. He apparently had many nicknames during the course of his life, but became known by Che. It is not short for chancho.. I dont see him pastoring a church and I am not even sure his legal problems from the last one are over. There could be some better teaching on this but too many appear to receive their teaching from celebrity pastors who then take advantage of them. Did Paul hire a company to buy his books and get them on the bestseller list? They want their congregations and the world at large to believe that there are no amount of misdeeds that a pastor can perform, no matter how egregious, that means they shouldnt be instantly forgiven and returned to the pulpit ASAP. . Oh no. no., to forgive them prepares you to see jesus. the money that was supposed to be going to missionaries in another country had been intertwined with the general fund. Barnabus is described as a good man and full of the Holy Spirit. You have a holy responsibility to lead your flock in truth and light yet you are deliberately misleading them. It was dingy and old. Hillsongsfounder, Brian Houston, released a statement saying he did not want the 30-minute interview with Driscoll to distract from the larger five-day conference. Brad Pitt cancelled his wedding there due to the churchs anti-gay preaching. For the Christmas services, additional services were added to further provide for social distancing. The bathrooms were tiny and not particularly nice. https://musingsfromunderthebus.wordpress.com/. He should not be making a buck off Jesus in any way, shape, or form, IMO. Glassdoor provides our best prediction for total pay in today's job market, along with other types of pay like cash bonuses, stock bonuses, profit sharing, sales commissions, and tips. Totally. starting to act animalistic the resistance is increasing, how will stephen respond?. In October, he resigned as head pastor from Mars Hill, a Seattle megachurch with a Sunday attendance of 13,000. But MD has been a jerk as far as Ive read, not a criminal or anything. Sam, I sincerely hope that nothing Ive written ever makes you rethink your relationship with God. "It was clear to me that Mark's attendance had the potential to divert attention from the real purpose of Hillsong Conference, which is to see people leave encouraged in their own spiritual journey.". I also told him that before I wrote this story, I transcribed his sermon. But over time became desensitized and swept up in group-think so as to eventually accept it as acceptable in the 21st century. Do your part with the people in your life, give to your church, beyond that have a global heart for widows, orphans, the poor and those in need, I am going to ask you to support some widows and orphans in Africa, We have an orphanage, we have a villagemembers of Mars Hill have actually moved there to take care of widows and orphans.. I was shocked and deeply saddened to see photos from the James River event over the weekend. His behaviour has been SO egregious, that I believe that he needs to stay out of anything that offers him a place of leadership or authority. Did MD admit to being WWII under duress or was that more mischief from Dark Miscoll? hmmm Considering the level of corruption I impute to mixing with Driscoll, Im not wondering much. believe these churches are using Driscoll as fallen pastor insurance. I recently ran into Scott Thomas and asked him about his promise to never abandon our orphans. He was no longer at Mars Hill Church and was himself suffering a level of abuse from the Mars Hill Church leadership. What I saw was the 2 verses that I had typed on a 35 card and tacked to my bulletin board. I dont think people that have fallen for false teachers are stupid, i think instead it reflects the degree of deceit in the false teachers and the seriousnes of the manipulations being used. Just like Jerry Springer would invite the Duggers on his show after the scandal? It was really bad, disastrous I might even say. Having a large following for a while, being insulated from most of reality, produces this result. Im guessing Driscolls trying to resurrect his career by going into Charismatic type denominations or churches. pastor says: I had never heard someone talk like that. Its so weird and twisted, but people eat it up. A friend of the family stated the same. Did he write (with $200k ResultSource juice job) a Best-Seller on His Humility (chuckle chuckle)? Treating the congregation as customers is pure evil, IMO. since we are all clergy??? arrogant, a lover of money, Yet its everywhere in the US and Australia. In December 2007, Merle and I quietly left Mars Hill Church. I will post about this. When Robert brags about lunching with Greg Abbott, golfing with George W Bush or being Rick Santorums spiritual advisor, it makes me feel ill. Hmmm, trust the Spirit, and let them be killed like Ananias and Sapphira? Why is Guidepost Solutions now involved? Watch LIVE every Sunday at 9am, 10:45am, 12:30pm, and 7pm as well as every Wednesday at 7pm. The issue, however, is character, evidenced by a pattern of behavior reported with regard to bullying behavior, narcissitic traits, etc. Likewise, you cannot be or stay a pastor if you find out that you cant respect people. jamesriver.org [email protected] (417) 581-5433; At James River Assembly we're focused.Upward in Worship, Inward in Commitment and Outward in Evangelism. Hillsong church head Brian Houston accused alleged child abuse victim of tempting father, inquiry told, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783128/Hillsong-church-founder-offered-sex-abuse-victim-10000-meeting-McDonalds-restaurant.html. http://www.standfirminfaith.com/?/sf/page/31866. The disciples send him off to Tarsus and after that-there was peace for a time in the churches in Judea, Galilee and Samaria.:o). The first time, it was shocking. I would argue the reverse. Sopy I dont view it as cynicism although I do joke about it that way around Christians to head off the backlash. He is a draw. i think that it worked quite well for Youth with a Mission for several years and then it went awry and i dont know the particulars of what happened. Im all for forgiveness but this complete whitewash of history when someone offers up an opportunistic Im sorry is not something I see in day to day life. John Lindell has spoken. If there are reports of a scandal or problems at a church, they are true. In attempting to keep us from leaving they recruited the largest donor to Agathos (who was also a large donor to Mars Hill Church) to encourage us to stay. This weekend GW is also doing Steven Furtick spontaneous baptism which are executed to the letter like Elevation. By and large, our local churches have been great examples of staying emotionally connected while protecting one another in this pandemicthis example does not do those congregations justice., I stg we're the dumbest country in world. The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. . So I can see why some churches would want him on board. Have you not spilled all your dark secrets at Freedom Ministry? James River Church Reverend John E Lindell. Nancy, i think theres a lot of truth to what you say, and its more than posdible that people he was addressing in his letters knew at least something about that. I find it telling that it contains 41 mentions of "sin," "sinners" and "sinfulness.". I only write the truth about Gateway in order to warn others, never to discourage anyone. Unfortunately I dont see loose associations of Christ followers functioning in my locale but I continually find more dones, those done with institutional church. I need to talk to the president, he may be unaware what some of his professors are teaching. @ numo: In my opinion Gateway is a cult not a church so they lose their Winters Bone protection status. Are you not reporting instant healing to keep the confirmed miracle count up? But forgiveness doesnt mean he should ever be in the same position in a church again. I arrived a little late here, and this has likely already been mentioned (I havent read all comments). The term was invented by Tom Wolfe back in the 70s to describe the superficial gliteratti associating with revolutionary thugs as a way to prove their bonafides. there is a scripture somewhere that says i wont speak against Gods annointed, which was david re saul i believe, and people have used this (or churches have used this to keep people quiet) as a reason to never say anything about church abuse. ), Warren Throckmorton quickly put up a post on this development and featured the following video. I have no power over what Driscoll does and he is free to speak on any stage that will have him. I still dont think he understands the harms he has done. Really? It is ok to ask for openess and transparancy. Of course but that is so remote given the environment I am not holding my breath. Was that MDs evil twin Dark Miscoll who said elders who disagree with him need to be put in wood chippers or that women need to bring their men to Jesus by orally servicing them every morning whether they like it or not? Are we really talking about clerical influence/position/authority and money? vinegar is disinfectant for wiping yourself. (glorifies paul. It came swiftly and with great effect. I work with the Online Campus and part of that is getting to be involved in anything Online Campus related. The point of closed systems is to keep them closed. I am not the judge of the hearts of men, but God has given us clues to the genuine presence of the Spirit, and I did not see it. Of course, the major players seem to emulate and incorporate some of the more questionable practices of each other so in a way we are ending up with a somewhat homogenous giga experience like GW having one of those Guest Central kiosks you mentioned. So where is the money coming from now? Bummer. But much of the Australian backlash has centred around Mr Driscoll's comments about women. I recently darkened the doors of a very small church in another city. it sounds like you have a story of sorts. Interestingly, he chose the title of his message to be 'Paul the Forgiven' and goes on to say that Paul has a name change because of a life change. In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. He later boasts that he did not immediately go get instruction from the apostles in Jerusalem, but he does not say exactly why. The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. But with those reading glasses they are losing their hipness and relevance and megas feed off of young marrieds with children. mark chose to step down not mark was removed. CCHD is extremely concerned about the health and well-being of all our community members and particularly those who attended the high-capacity event over the weekend. The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. Thats a great question to think about. ". These churches are both responsible for vetting their speakers, and they utterly failed on this one. In 2002, Agathos began as a ministry to rescue orphans in Africa during the peak of the out-of-control HIV/AIDS crisis. If so you may be onto something. Consider how he attained it fleecing the flock. There are plenty of people within the Christian faith that have their own issues with mega churches but people outside of it especially do. The Bible tells us lotz of neet stuff before it happen/happens. "Nor is it outside the parameters of a gospel ministry. CCHD encourages individuals who were present at the high-capacity event over the weekend to monitor for symptoms of COVID-19 for 14-days from the event date and seek medical attention if symptoms develop., Church officials defended themselves in a statement issued to KYTV-KSPR, noting that despite what the images show, we take seriously the safety and health of those who attend our services.. Even in the Roman Catholic Church, the obvious structure does not prevent sin or other problems, so I dont think it is a matter either of too much or not enough structure making us fall short of perfection. Jesus Church or 501(c)3 Religious business? Mencken: No one in this world, so far as I know and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. i dont have that conscience when i am running off on my own and not caring about serving Jesus, but instead caring about how big my kingdom is or how big an influence i am making or how much press i got this week or how many people got baptized. where is God in all this? we dont need Mark Driscoll and his He-Man Woman-Hating Circus. Thats how reasonable people see past the wicked. To learn more, visit ja. With BHouston, JLindell and MD there is no hope. Persecuted, but You cant criticize me for a moment. The teachings of Christ are based on love and forgiveness, and I will not write off Mark as a person simply because of the things that people have said about him, a small minority of people signing a petition or statements he has made many years ago for which he has since repeatedly apologised, Houston said. i have very little church experience so i dont think i am qualified to even speak to these things though. Driscoll has used this vague parallels to himself many times, framing the sermon in the context of his own life with the lives of other noble characters, most notably Jesus. That is certainly not an idea they got from the Bible. instead i find now that the Lord uses other christians to confirm things He has shown me, instead of the Lord teaching me things that others say i should believe and me just accepting them as the word of God because the guy has a position or written a book or is promoted by other pastors. Given how media savvy Hillsong is (yes, even here in Australia!) . i would rather be in fellowship with people that realise they still have sin but instead of rationalizing or blameshifting, show fruit of the Spirit in overcoming it. I am thinking that is no doubt true, but Saul/Paul was also a religious activist who had double crossed his former sponsors in Jerusalem who had given him credentials to go seek out believers for persecution. Unless of course, they give up the celebrity/money/position and go into obscurity getting real jobs. Thanks for the link i want to read more of the writers work. Most of all we want people to know that God loves and cares for them, the church said. Your facts are a bit off, beginning with the meaning of Che. I am no fan of his, but there are some big holes in your acvount of his life. I think it should lie with the one who broke the trust in the first place. The he takes him back to Antioch where they work together for a year with converted Gentiles. http://godsbreath.net/2007/11/07/qualifications-for-pastors/, A few items: A preacher is not to be- They sing and wave their arms and hug and praise other givers. And yes, Baptists and other evangelicals have evolved to believing similar using other methods of mediation for people. OTOH, they may yet surprise us and probably even themselves. He returned to Maryland in March 1965, when he was assigned to an Assembly of God church in Cresaptown, just south of Cumberland. I find it hard to believe he truly didnt know anything before last weekend! Well-meaning people are attempting to put Jesus in structures that do not foster the expression of his life in the saints. Why am I concerned? I know people who were previously baptized that jumped in to get the swag. @Albuquerque Blue Our heart at James River Church has always been to minister to people in our community. I would hope we should higher standards than that. The financial aspects. Meanwhile, Mark Driscoll was preparing to deliver his sermon at James River Church, an Assemblies of God megachurch located in the "Show Me State" (Missouri). And he actually dismissed several of them as how Sissies or men who wear product in their hair act. I started to ask myself, If Christ is present in someones life, and therefore the Spirit, will not God, in his infinite power, begin to produce those things in that person? And I began to wonder if Mark Driscoll even possessed the Spirit of God. until he says otherwise what else can a person think? In your mega travels Lydia, is this homogenization of bad practices the norm? There is great comfort to be found in that. Here are just some of the phrases he uses as he shares the story. But the attempt was cut short Sunday when Hillsong, one of the most influential international megachurches, cut him from the speaker list at its upcoming conferences in the United Kingdom and in Australia. any way i am still wrestling with my view of my world and churches and like you mentioned, gun shy when i go into a new church. With this much covidiocy in the country, we are proving ourselves to be the dumbest nation on earth. Maybe Driscoll feels a notch above Paul since hes not called for any ones death? Also it is not where you sit in rows and hear a weekly lecture. Before people know it, feeling loved and valued (and not realizing it was due to preplanned manipulation) they are plugged in several days a week, basically dropping out of their non-church activities. their ministry grew and even people that werent christians were thankful for them. If a pastor makes a statement denying allegations, it might be that his words and patterns of behavior, actions dont match. "We cannot endorse a candidate and we cannot endorse a party," he said. Did Driscoll forget about the part where Saul went away for years after his conversion. Something has gone seriously wrong in Mega-Land and it aint just thinking about having MD speak at one of their conferences. Many teach that when Paul said he was chief of all sinners he was claiming to be as evil as he always was. GW has a lot of bad stuff they are covering up. I am haunted by that infamous message where he appeared to use a Bible passage to describe what was about to happen to two Mars Hill elders.

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